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Briggs 23A engine ID deciphering

Postby sgull » Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:29 pm

I'm trying to decipher as best as I can the engine identification data for my Briggs model 23A, but am unclear/confused at this point with the information I've come across so far. The ID label plate on the engine is as follows: Model 23AFB Type 703525 Serial 654489

The information I've been looking at is from the Briggs and Stratton Repairmans Handbook Service Manual for Out of Production Engines 1919-1981. In the Model Data on page 2 the different methods of identifying engines is explained, and obviously the method used to identify my engine would be the numeric-alpha system (as compared to the earlier all alpha system used or the later all numeric system used).

In the manual, Table No. 1 (The Complete List of Basic and Cast Iron Models) is comprised of two separate columns; the Basic Model column and the Corresponding Special Models column. This table (on page 4) lists in the Basic Model column a model 23 but in the corresponding special models column not a 23A. It does however in the corresponding special models list a 23FB, but that is not the same as 23AFB which is the model as identified on my engine label/plate. So this one thing I'm unclear about. Is the model 23A actually a basic model? If so, why is not listed as such in the table, but instead just model 23? If not, what exactly does the A in the 23A indicate/represent?

Further, in regard to the model 23FB inclusion within the Basic Model 23 Corresponding Special Models column, the way I understand it, apparently the F would mean “Flange Mounting” and the B would mean “Ball Bearing.” Is that correct? If so, the order of the lettering on my model, with the F preceding the B, is also a little confusing to me. Is there any good reason/explanation why the order of the lettering would not instead be the B preceding the F (thus the model identified as 23ABF)?

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In regard to my engine type (703525), there must be some published info somewhere (which I haven't been able to find) that will interpret for me what those numbers indicate. If so, I'd very much like to know that information. So far, I have only been able to come across an Illustrated Parts List “23” (form MS-3676-9/61 replaces form MS-3676-96) which is for Model Series 23, 23B, 23BC, 23C, 23FB, 23FBC, 23FBL, 23FBP, 23FBPC, 23P, 23PC, 23R6, 23R6D Type 203010 to 203986. First of all there's no type numbers listed that even begin with 7 like mine; and secondly with no 23A included in the above model series listing does that probably indicate I have entirely the incorrect IPL for my 23A model to begin with?

Moving on, in regard to the serial number (654489), is there a interpretation/source I can find out what those numbers indicate/represent in regard to ID on my engine as well?

Any comments to help straighten me out on this business would be appreciated.
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Re: Briggs 23A engine ID deciphering

Postby HondaG100 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:29 pm

Hi Sgull.
As mentioned on another thread I have a 23AFB like yours. Just a quick Google search turned up this IPL that applies to your engine. http://www5.briggsandstratton.com/eu/cz ... %2023A.pdf . You may have to copy and paste the link. Incidentally your engine was manufactured in July of 1959. The A is I believe part of the engine name and as such though it may be very similar to the 23 it is not exactly the same engine.
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Re: Briggs 23A engine ID deciphering

Postby sgull » Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:22 pm

HondaG100 wrote:Hi Sgull.
As mentioned on another thread I have a 23AFB like yours. Just a quick Google search turned up this IPL that applies to your engine. http://www5.briggsandstratton.com/eu/cz ... %2023A.pdf . You may have to copy and paste the link. Incidentally your engine was manufactured in July of 1959. The A is I believe part of the engine name and as such though it may be very similar to the 23 it is not exactly the same engine.


Great, thanks a bunch for that link HondaG100. I'm really curious how you can tell by the numbers the manufacturing date like that. Not that it matters particularly, but I wouldn't mind knowing, if you'd care to divulge that.
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Re: Briggs 23A engine ID deciphering

Postby HondaG100 » Fri Jan 02, 2015 9:56 am

This link has a list of manufacturing dates for the older engines such as ours. It appears the 23 was an older version that was followed by the 23A. http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html
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Re: Briggs 23A engine ID deciphering

Postby sgull » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:50 pm

HondaG100 wrote:This link has a list of manufacturing dates for the older engines such as ours. It appears the 23 was an older version that was followed by the 23A. http://www.asecc.com/data/briggs/data4.html


Okay thanks, yet again, HondaG100, for that additional link/source with the serial number and dating info.

I still am wondering/curious just why the 23A is not listed at all in the manual table page I was citing in my initial post here, where I was blathering as follows:
"In the manual, Table No. 1 (The Complete List of Basic and Cast Iron Models) is comprised of two separate columns; the Basic Model column and the Corresponding Special Models column. This table (on page 4) lists in the Basic Model column a model 23 but in the corresponding special models column not a 23A. It does however in the corresponding special models list a 23FB, but that is not the same as 23AFB which is the model as identified on my engine label/plate..."

Here's a screenshot of the manual page of which I was blathering, just for reference as to what the heck I'm talking about:

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Re: Briggs 23A engine ID deciphering

Postby bgsengine » Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:58 pm

Umm Briggs & Stratton has been building engines since 1919 - 4 more years and they'll be hitting 100

Within that time, I am sure they have had loss of data here and there - I can not think of any list that is entirely comprehensive and complete for any company that old - There are plenty of examples of information that falls through the cracks and we often have to depend on historian collectors like some of the aforementioned websites that happen to have that missing data that Briggs no longer has.

23, 23A, 23B, 23AFB and the like would all be a model 23 cast iron series with just that little letter meaning a revision from the original model 23

As nice as it might be for a 90+ year old company to have every bit of information for every single engine they ever built, I think it is maybe a bit much to ask of them, wouldn't you say? :)
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Re: Briggs 23A engine ID deciphering

Postby sgull » Fri Jan 02, 2015 4:16 pm

bgsengine wrote:As nice as it might be for a 90+ year old company to have every bit of information for every single engine they ever built, I think it is maybe a bit much to ask of them, wouldn't you say?


Lol. Yeah, okay. Just a bit of info that possibly fell through the cracks. I can accept that, and live with it. :mrgreen:
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